Questions and Answers for Chapter C
C1.21 & D10.1
D10.1 states that a 'wreck may be attacked by either side, treating the wreck as if it were still the original vehicle'. Does that mean that it is treated as an 'enemy ground unit' for the purposes of C1.21?
A. No.
C1.21
Are Reserve Cloaking counters ignored for OBA purposes (i.e., they cannot be the sole cause of an extra chit draw)?
A. No, Reserve Cloaking counters cause an extra chit draw.
C1.5
A stopped vehicle begins its MPh in an FFE blast area. If it expends a start MP, is it attacked by the FFE (considering it somehow becomes more vulnerable to the FFE)?
A. No. {4}
C1.55
A CE StuG is attacked by OBA resulting in a K/3 (hull hit - immobilization) versus the AFV and a 2MC versus the CE crew. Does the Immobilization TC take place before the collateral attack versus the CE crew?
A. The collateral attack occurs first.
C1.55
A Crocodile is attacked by indirect fire. Its Armor Factors qualify for the "+1 for All AF ≥ 8" in C1.55. However, its trailer has an AF of 6. Is the trailer canceling the +1 drm?
A. No.
C2.24
Assume an AFV spends 3 MP moving in to a hex and elects to Bounding First Fire (BFF) from that hex. Does the AFV get 1, 2, or 3 shots with it's ordnance MA (assuming it retains ROF) based on the 3 MP required to enter the hex?
A. 1; C2.24 & C5.3.
A. Yes.
C2.240
A DEFENDER declares a DFF attack against a vehicle attempting BFF, which vehicle responds by declaring a Gun Duel. However, the vehicle is not eligible to fire first in a Gun Duel because its TH DRMs (computed in accordance with C2.2401) are greater than those of the DEFENDER. If the vehicle survives the DEFENDER's attack, can another of the DEFENDER's units declare a DFF attack and fire first upon the vehicle, subject to the vehicle declaring, if eligible, a Gun Duel against that unit?
A. No, ATTACKER's declared BFF attack is resolved first.
If the declaration of a Gun Duel suspends all DFF opportunities by other units even if the attacking vehicle is not eligible to fire first, would the same be true if the reason the vehicle did not qualify to fire first is one of the other conditions contained in the first sentence of C2.2401: that is, the vehicle would have to change CA, the DEFENDER's attack is Reaction Fire, or the vehicle is conducting an OVR?
A. It is not the declaration of a Gun Duel that suspends DFF opportunities, it is the declaration of BFF. If further MP need to be expended (e.g., change CA or OVR) before BFF can occur, other defenders may conduct DFF on those MP.
C2.2401
An AFV wishes to BFF at a stack of broken units the start of its movement phase for 0 MP in accordance with C5.33. Sitting beside the broken units and in LOS of the BFF AFV is another unit friendly to the broken stack. May the third unit declare a Gun Duel vs. the BFF vehicle or is the Gun Duel restricted to only the AFV and broken units?
A. Third parties cannot intervene.
C2.2401
A vehicle is in bypass of an Infantry Unit in a woods hex. The vehicle declares Bounding First Fire against the Infantry Unit prior to expending any MP. Can the Infantry Unit declare a Gun Duel? If the Infantry Unit wins the Gun Duel can it use CC Reaction Fire (D7.21) as its attack?
A. Yes, if not held in Melee (e.g., vehicle was in Motion). Yes. {4}
C2.6
Rule C2.6 says in part "Only mortars, AA Guns (2.22) and Guns capable of using AA fire may fire-at/
A. Yes.
C3. & C6.2
Assume the following situation: A Mortar is 6 hexes away from a building hex that contains a concealed enemy unit. No To Hit DRM apply, so the Basic To Hit Number for the Area Target Type is 7 and vs. the concealed unit Case K (+2) applies. So I need a 5 or less to hit the concealed unit. If I roll a 6 or 7 I miss the concealed unit but do I still "hit" the building so I can roll an effects DR vs. it to possibly rubble it ?
A. No.
The same situation but the building hex is empty and I want to try and rubble it. Do I have to add Case K in this case as well (hitting a
potential HIP unit) before I can make an effects DR?, or do I "hit" building in this case with a TH DR <= 7 ?
A. You have to add Case K. {2}
C3.2
Are you allowed to deliberately place a Gun with its barrel/
A. No, unless you want to agree on a House Rule.
C3.3
If there are no non-hidden enemy targets in a hex within LOS of a mortar, can that mortar fire and hit enemy units that are out of LOS in that hex? (e.g., units IN gully or lower level building Locations)
A. No.
C3.3
Can we please have a ruling stating that I need LOS to a non-Aerial Location in the hex to be able to fire ATT.
A. You must. So let it be written, so let it be played. {4}
C3.33
Can a gun that has fired ATT and is marked with a fire counter intensive fire using ATT?
A. Yes.
C3.33
Can a gun that has fired on the ITT/VTT and is marked with a fire counter intensive fire using ATT?
A. Yes.
C3.33
Is a wreck considered to be an enemy target?
A. Not for purposes of whether or not a mortar can use a wreck as an "enemy target" in order to hit units that are out of LOS.
C3.7
A situation occurs where three squads are in a single building location. A gun fires at them and scores a Critical Hit. Two of the three squads are selected to receive the Critical Hit through Random Selection. The Critical Hit result is "1KIA". Are both of the critically-hit squads KIA?
A. Do another Random Selection between the two to see which gets KIAed or if both do.
C3.7
An EXC in C3.71 makes it clear that the additional TEM for indirect fire vs. lower building levels is not reversed on a CH. Does that TEM therefore still apply as a positive DRM?
A. No. {2}
C3.7
A 50* Mortar gets a CH on a unit in the ground level of a two story wooden building hex. C3.71 states that higher building level TEM is an exception to the reverse TEM applied to a CH. So what is the DRM for the CH – is it:
a) -2 (reversed ground level wooden building TEM) and +1 for the higher building level making a net -1?, or
b) -2 for reversed ground level building TEM and ignore the higher level.
A. b) -2; ignore the higher level.
C3.71
C11.4 says "A CH automatically destroys both the Gun and its manning Infantry." (end of C3.71 says the same thing). Would "automatically" mean that one does not roll a subsequent IFT DR in that case (thus avoiding any Sniper activation [due to the IFT DR] and/or Fire or Rubble creation in appropriate terrain)?
A. No IFT DR if there is nothing else to affect. If there is something else to affect (i.e., terrain), make another DR.
C3.7
When using WP OBA, does one get a Critical Hit by treating it as a WP smoke grenade and any MC with a colored die of 6, get the TEM added to the roll? Or is there another mechanism for OBA CH?
A. No, use C3.76 (thus using 3.7).
C3.8
A Gun capable of Multiple Hits per C3.8 fires on a hull down target and rolls a 3,3. This result is ≤ the modified TH, so would normally hit the target and result in two to kill DR. The first hit is a hull hit, and has no effect vs. a hull down target. Do you make the TK DR solely for the purpose of the location of the second hit, or is the second hit forfeited because the first TK DR can have no effect?
A. No; yes.
C3.9
An Underbelly hit occurs. Aerial armor factor is used and the result equals the to kill required. Is the result a Shocked vehicle (i.e., it did use the turret location mechanics to determine location)? Is the result an Immobilized vehicle (i.e., all underbelly hits are treated as hull hits for resolution effects)?
A. Shocked. {2}
C5.
During the Defensive Fire Phase, does a DEFENDER Motion AFV apply Case C4 including Case C2 for fire against an ATTACKER AFV that expended 1 MP in LOS during the ATTACKERS Movement Phase? Or, does it apply Case C4 including Case C, regardless the number of MP spend by the target?
A. No (although it sounds like Case J2 would also apply). Yes. {4}
C5.1
I wonder whether the CA restriction is in effect even if a Tank fires it's CMG out from a woods/
A. No, unless the CMG is the MA. Yes.
C5.35
A vehicle is marked with a motion counter and in the DFPh fires its Main Armament at an infantry target (it does not have a stabilized gun). D2.42 states that Case C4 must be applied to the To Hit DR because the vehicle is in motion. When applying C4 which of the following is correct?
A. The only modifier is the doubling of the lower dr because Cases C, C1 and C2 are only applicable in the vehicle's own movement phase.
B. The lower dr should be doubled and Case C (including Case B) applies because in rule C5.35 the words "if applicable" only relate to Cases C1 and C2.
C. The lower dr should be doubled and Case C (including Case B) applies for some other reason I cannot find in the rules.
A. B.
C5.6
In its MPh, an AFV Fires its MA and loses rate. It also fires all of its MGs from the same Location in accordance with D3.51. May the AFV declare an Intensive Fire (IF) shot? If so, may that IF shot be used to fulfill the EXC in the last sentence of D3.51 and fire that IF shot in another hex or would the IF shot limited to the Location which it has already fired from?
A. Yes. Limited. (That is, you can IF in BFF but not from a different hex.)
C5.6
In a Friendly Mph, can a vehicular MA fires using Bounding First Fire, loses its rate of fire, move to another hex and then intensive fire?
A. No.
C6.5
Regarding the clause "or they fire Inherent FP/SW" in C6.5 – A German MMC has a MTR and MG SW and acquisition on hex A1. Does it lose acquisition if it fires a PF? Does it lose acquisition if it fires the MG? That is, does the phrase mean all SW or just Inherent SW?
A. Yes to both. All SW.
C6.5
During the MPh, squad A enters a Location occupied by the non-moving squad B, where it is fired on by a Gun using ITT. An acquisition marker is placed. Squad A then continues to another Location that is also in LOS of the Gun. May the Defender choose to leave the acquisition marker in the Location occupied by squad B?
A. No.
Same situation, but squad A ends its MPh in the Location of the shot. Later in the MPh, squad B moves to another Location in LOS of the Gun. May the Defender choose to track squad B with the acquisition marker?
A. No.
During the DFPh, a Gun fires at a Location containing a Known enemy unit and a concealed enemy unit, using ITT. The result of the shot is "no effect" on both. An acquisition marker is placed. A subsequent shot in the DFPh causes the concealed unit to lose concealment. During the APh, the two units advance to different Locations, both in LOS of the Gun. May the Defender choose to track the previously concealed unit with the acquisition marker?
A. Yes, when the unit lost concealment it became part of an acquired stack.
A squad and AFV are moving, using Armored Assault, and are fired on by a Gun using VTT. An acquisition marker is placed. Subsequently, the squad and AFV move to different hexes, both in LOS of the Gun. May the Defender choose to track the squad with the acquisition marker?
A. Yes since it was part of an acquired stack.
Same situation, but the Gun uses ITT instead of VTT on its shot. When the squad and AFV split, may the Defender choose to track the AFV with the acquisition marker?
A. Yes since it was part of an acquired stack.
C6.5
The acquisition loss due to its manning infantry firing inherent FP seems to apply only to "Guns", which could mean that infantry possessing a SW mortar would not lose acquisition when firing its Inherent firepower...
A. Incorrect.
C6.5
A Gun has acquisition on a unit and there are 4 hindrances between the Gun and the target hex. A vehicle moves and creates vehicle dust which momentarily causes the 4 Hindrances to be raised to 6 Hindrances thus blocking LOS (but only momentarily as the vehicle then continues to move and the vehicle dust moves with it). Is acquisition lost due to the momentary loss of LOS? The chart for Acquisition loss states that "A Guns Acquired target counter is removed if the target is no longer in the Guns LOS (see also C6.15)". Rule C6.5 lists LOS loss due to the acquired target moving as a cause of acquisition loss, as does C6.15, but does not otherwise list LOS loss as a cause for acquisition loss.
A. Acquisition is not lost.
C6.5
A non-gyrostabilizer vehicle with Acquisition goes into motion without leaving the location or changing CA. Provided the vehicle does not fire, is that Acquisition lost immediately? If no, can the vehicle change VCA if the Acquisition is from a turret mounted weapon that maintains the same CA and still retain its Acquisition? Would your answer be different if the weapon was bow mounted and the TCA was the one that changed?
A. Immediately. NA. No.
C6.5
Can you gain Acquisition when using Bounding First Fire?
A. No Acquisition retained in BFF unless Stabilized. {4}
C6.5
Must a unit have been the target of a Gun to be tracked by that gun's acquisition?
A. Yes, or it must have been part of a stack that was acquired.
For example, if a unit moves into a location with an 1/2" acquisition counter and subsequently advances out of the location without being fired upon by the gun that has the location acquired, can/
A. It cannot, unless by moving into the location it became part of a stack that was acquired.
C7.2
Rule C7.21 says "The Basic TK# vs an AFV hit (or attacked by FT...) in its armored Rear Target Facing is always increased by one". HE & Flame TK Table says (Note B, for FT) that ONLY TK# modifiers are "Half if Long range, +1 if CE, +2 if OT" Does rule C7.21 really apply for FT/DC/MOL attacks vs AFV's?
A. Yes, since it is not specifically negated in C7.344.
If the answer is YES, does it apply the same if the AFV is fired through the Hull Rear Target Facing & Turret Front Target Facing (or vice versa), due to different VCA and TCA?
A. To see if the Rear Target Facing applies, you must use the VCA for a Hull Hit or use the TCA for a Turret Hit (C3.9).
C7.344
A Motion AFV with a bow ft which has a normal range of two and extended range of one fires at two hex range at a stationary, enemy AFV. Does the firing AFV pay the following penalties for it's being in Motion, since it is attacking on the TK table, does it get to use the 8 TK #, or would it be halved for Motion to a 4?
A. TK is not halved for Motion fire.
C7.4
Does a passenger roll for crew survival after a failed UK recuperation ?
A. No CS.
C8.1
When do you declare special ammo? Before the LOS thread or after?
A. As part of the attack declaration, before checking LOS.
C8.31
The APCNR of the German le PaK41 (40LL) uses the APCR TK table, and TH mods. What, though, is the HE equivalency of this
not-apcr, not-ao shell? 1 FP or 2 FP?
A. 1 FP as if APCR. {2}
C8.6
May the DEFENDER fire WP (either using Area Target Type or from a BAZ45) as Defensive First Fire against an ATTACKER's moving unit (s)?
A. Yes (C8.6), however, the WP would still have to be fired before any non-SMOKE ammo in that phase.
C8.9
If a gun malfunctions by rolling 12 on the TH table during the PFPh, is it marked with the appropriate Prep Fire counter?
What if the gun was attempting to use Special Ammo when it malfunctioned?
A. Yes to both.
C9.3
A Spotter must be Good Order to spot. A new Spotter may not be designated until the original Spotter is "eliminated, broken or captured". Does this mean that a berserk spotter forfeits any possibility of designating another Spotter, at the same time as it, being no more in Good Order, cannot spot. And thus, does one have to wait, either its elimination, either its return to normal (most often after having charged the ENEMY and being no more adjacent to the mortar it originally spotted for)?
A. Yes.
C9.31 example (last 3 lines): does this mean a spotter loses a mortar acquisition under all the loss conditions expressed in C6.5 (as if it were firing the mortar itself), such as: interdicting, leaving present Location, etc.?
A. Yes.
Two remarks about the rules (but I might be a bad reader): Only does the example of Spotting rules prove that acquisition is possible.
A. It is possible.
C9.3
May vehicles with MTR MA utilize Spotted Fire C9.31?
A. Yes. {1}
C9.3
The rules states that you "declare" a spotter. In what way do you do this? You state something like "This unit C will spot for MTR B." Is it in any way secret?
A. Only if the spotter is hidden–then simply write something like "spotter for MTR B" next to its hidden status that you wrote on a paper for later verification.
Do you need to tell your opponent which mortar is declaring a spotter?
A. You should tell him the ID letter of the MTR and of the spotter.
Does the opponent have the right to know the ID letter of the spotter? To verify it's not a dummy?
A. If either the MTR or the spotter is concealed or HIP, simply note the IDs on a paper for later verification. {2}
C9.3
"... the Spotter must be predesignated by the owning player during his PFPh/DFPh ..." May a Spotter be predesignated during setup? If yes, when must this predesignation be declared?
A. Counting DFF as part of the DFPh for this exercise, the Spotter may be recorded anytime prior to the start of the firing phase, with that designation becoming effective at the start of the firing phase. {4}
C9.3
C9 – Spotted Fire. The rules state that a spotter is designated during the owning player's Prep/
A. Yes; counting DFF as part of the DFPh for this exercise, the Spotter may be recorded anytime prior to the start of the firing phase, with that designation becoming effective at the start of the firing phase.
When a spotter dies/
A. No; see ASOP step 3.11A. {4}
C10.11
May a unit attempt to Push [C10.3] more than one Gun per MPh? May a second Gun be hooked up to a vehicle that already has a Gun hooked up to it?
A. No to both.
C11.1
An infantry unit possesses at least 2 Guns in the same hex (assume not in a building, and non-Trench or Pillbox location). At least one of the Guns is not emplaced. When fired upon in the following cases, may the infantry receive the +2 emplacement DRM?
1. The hex is attacked by infantry firepower (or IFE), OBA or other non-ordnance firepower resolved on the IFT.
2. The emplaced Gun is attacked by ordnance using the Infantry Target Type.
3. The non-emplaced Gun is attacked by ordnance using the Infantry Target Type.
4. The hex is attacked by ordnance using the Area Target Type.
A. Assuming at least one Gun is emplaced and one is not, the crew receives the +2 in all four cases, but the non-emplaced Gun will be easier to hit (assuming sizes are the same) when both are attacked at the same time on the ITT.
C11.4
Does Indirect Fire from OBA have to originate within the guns current CA for the gunshield DRM to apply? Does Indirect Fire from on-board Mortars have to originate within the guns current CA for the gunshield DRM to apply?
A. No to both; see 11.4; ("all forms of Indirect Fire" includes attacks which do not "originate within its current CA.")
C13.2
Does a vehicle mounted ATR also have a Small Arms 1 FP? If answer is "yes", can it add the 1 FP to its MG attacks?
A. Yes to both.
C13.24
Does a vehicle mounted ATR also have a Small Arms 1 FP? If answer is "yes", can it add the 1 FP to its MG attacks?
A. Yes to both.
If so, does the vehicle's ATR MA benefit from PBF/TPBF (if applicable)?
A. Yes.
Is the ATR's 1 FP included in the vehicle's OVR FP calculation (presumably multiplied by 3/2 and added)?
A. No; see D7.11.
Does C13.25 allow a vehicle leader to apply his leadership modifier to any ATR MA attack on the IFT?
A. D3.44 allows an Armor Leader to modify an ATR MA TH or IFT DR. {2}
C13.3
May a passenger in a HT search for and fire a PF?
A. Yes.
C13.7
A PzVIB moves ADJACENT to a British squad in an ABTF scenario and is eligible to be street fought. The squad passes its PAATC and moves into the road location. The squad then rolls for Gammon Bomb availability, rolls a 6, and is pinned. Does the squad still get to make it's CCRF attack vs. the PzVIB? Basically, is the squad pinned in the commission of its attack, or prior to?
A. Yes. In the commission of it's attack
